Well I figured I'd branch the discussion from the races thread into a new thread.

Realistically, there will not be Aracnum 2 so the only solution would be to make it as mod for Arcanum. Now as the fellas have said in the refereed thread, this is nightmarishly hard to do.

Wethere or not anything will result from this, I figured we could throw a few ideas around for what sort of elements (mostly storyline) could be added in a "continuation" from the end of arcanum...however set in the current game.

These ideas of course...would be dependent own twhat quests were solved in the arcanum game:

- Re-population of the Black Mouintain and Stonecutter Clan as visitable towns. Perhaps add a few quests, similar to the ones in the Wheel Clan.

- The Boil is truly transformed into the area described in the cut-scene at the end...add the hotel that Caleb Malloy now runs.

- If you Helped the Orcs to riot...transform Tarant into worn down town where the Orcs run shops (badly at that..charging little for good items and too much for worthless items)...humans now work in the factories..

- If you helped Applesby...perhaps have him become Tarant's new Tyccon....and twist Tarant into twon as mad as he is...citizens will be VERY pissed at you.

- If you helped free the Ghost of Bessie Toome....improve Shrouded Hills, turning it into a more modern town

- Have Dernholm regain its status with the return of Warren Del Par.

I'll throw out a few more later...please contribute with your own.

DE and I are working on a storyline.

And discussing it here for everyone to watch? what a spoiler....

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awwww.....my bad...

i think the storyline should be connected to the original stroyline in arcanum. Depending how the game ends ( good or evil way or you did/didn't do some quests that ghanged the world). It would have to depend on the original story. I don't know how that would be able to do, maybe with lot's of programming and making lots of diffrent kind scenarios? Hell knows. but it would be cool!!!

And nearly impossible. There are too many endings avaible in Arcanum to make that many mods. If the modding is as nightmarishly hard as some say, then the process would surely outlive us. But assume that the character did everything right! Then we would've lot's of stuff to go on.

If we assume that the character did everything right (in good way I think wha t yoou are meaning?), then there is the problem that the game would start as a perfectly good character. But then there could be the possibility that if the player wants to be an evil character so the character would be a fallen one or something like that. I know you are right about that it would be impossible to create all those different scenarios for the mod, i agree with that. But I'm just checking all the possibilities here what would be cool and "easily" done and then the possibilities that are nearly impossible.

But who said that the character should be the same as is the previous game? Why not start up with a brand new character who are born in this new fascinating world? We can even create stories and legends about the character from Arcanum, and perhaps even give hints to where that character is now (probably on Cattan with Raven, but what the heck...)

As for the new character idea, check out what came up in the "Arcanum Jones" listing.

IMHO...tbe easiest thing would be to have something like:

Have every storyline catch from Arcanum 1 in a table of sorts and base hwat you see/get in ARcanum two on the results of that table (or combinations of said results)

It would'nt really be THAT hard as a lot of the stuff would really only affect a certain character being there or not.

For example, the Hedge Wizard in Black Root, the Woman who wanted the Elven funeral stone,...

Others would involve a little more tweaking

For example, if you killed Arbalah in A1, his house might be destoryed and his spirit might haunt the area...if you helped him, he may have built a church where his house is now.

And a few things would require major changes but there wouldn't be that many....perhaps only Tarant, Shorouded Hills, Dernholm and Caladon, depending on what you did or not.


When you start a NEW game, it asks you if you finished Arcanum 1.

If no, it starts a new game with a random config.

If yes, you have the option of loading the table based on your A1 saved game.

Another option would be that you could go through some sort of questionaire to create your game table.

Like:

- Did you return the Bessie Toome Mine to its rightful owenr?
- Did you Help Clear the Boil of the Maug and Pollock Gangs?
etc...

Only problem is that it might take a while....

If anyone has a list of every possible Quest or point rewarded task in the game then I'll have a go at creating the results table and post it here for you to analyze.

You don't ask for much do you?

Every possible Quest or point rewarded task? Wow...

Gimme a list and I'll see what I can come up with! Surely there is some file in the game that has that, after all it does generate the quest part of the adventure log right?

I'll see what I can find.

Here's your list (from gamequestlog.mes).

{0001}{Mrs. Randolph would like you to retrieve an ancient tome said to be lost in the caverns east of town.}
{1000}{King Praetor Would like for you to collect his taxes from Black Root.}
{1001}{King Praetor wants you to find his daughter.}
{1002}{King Praetor wants you to kill prince Auguste Farad.}
{1003}{Gladys wants you to find her ring, an old family heirloom.}
{1004}{Kietzel Pearce will train you as a Bow Master if you can find the Bow of Ecclesiates, said to be hidden in the ancient Ruins of Szabo.}
{1005}{The Mayor of Black Root wants you to find his badge of office, a ceremonial silver dagger, stolen by a local gang of thieves.}
{1006}{D'ak Taan the thief wants you to rob the Hedgewizard's chest. If successful, he will give you stolen items from Black Root.}
{1007}{D'ak Taan the thief wants you to obtain poison from Grunwalde. If successful, he will give you stolen items from Black Root.}
{1008}{A fellow named Theodore wants you to retrieve his "technologically improved" plate from Ashbury's local scientician.}
{1009}{A strange halfling seems to have included you in an ancient game.}
{1010}{Discover the origins of the strange ring.}
{1011}{Get information from P. Schuyler & Sons about the owner of the strange ring.}
{1012}{Get information about the strange ring from Gilbert Bates.}
{1013}{Search the mines of the Black Mountain Clan for clues to their whereabouts, and report back to Bates.}
{1014}{Search the mines of the Black Mountain Clan for clues to their whereabouts.}
{1015}{Look for the Black Mountain Clan on the Isle of Despair.}
{1016}{Find out what happened to the Black Mountain Clan.}
{1017}{Investigate the Wheel Clan for further information about the Black Mountain Clan.}
{1018}{Find the elven village of Qintarra.}
{1019}{Remove the humans from Falcon's Ache.}
{1020}{Locate the village of the Dark Elves.}
{1021}{Find out about Renford A. Terwilliger.}
{1022}{Obtain a copy of "Horror Among the Dark Elves" by Renford A. Terwilliger.}
{1023}{Find out about Arronax.}
{1024}{Find Nasrudin.}
{1025}{Kill all of the inhabitants of Stillwater.}
{1026}{I am meant to travel to Caladon and speak with the high priest of the Panarii, K'an Hua. He is to be found in his office inside the Panarii temple there.}
{1027}{Retrieve the Vendigroth Device and meet K'an Hua in the Ring of Brodgar.}
{1028}{Travel to the Ring of Brodgar.}
{1029}{Find Arronax.}
{1030}{Defeat Kerghan.}
{1031}{Kill Arronax, The Bane of Kree, Gorgoth and Kraka-Tur to join Kerghan.}
{1032}{Constable Owens needs you to remove the thieves from the bridge.}
{1033}{In order to join the thieves, you must destroy the construction materials for the new bridge.}
{1034}{Jongle Dunne wants you to destroy the town's steam engine.}
{1035}{Constable Owens wants you to fix the town's steam engine.}
{1036}{Lloyd Gurloes wants you to obtain some pure ore for him.}
{1037}{Ristezze the Importer wants you to find a camera OR some Bessie Toone paraphenalia. In return, he will give you information about P. Schuyler & Sons.}
{1038}{Help Milly Fender find her lost Grandpa in Shrouded Hills.}
{1039}{Steal any incriminating evidence from Bates to help Appleby expose him.}
{1040}{Devise a solution to Bates' saboteur difficulties at his factory to gain an audience with him. The factory is located at the end of Ten Hands Alley, and the saboteurs are reputed to strike sometime after midnite.}
{1041}{Cedric Appleby will gain you access into Bates' house if you destroy Bates' new steam engine prototype housed in Bates' factory. The factory is located at the end of Ten Hands Alley.}
{1042}{Tell The Wheel Clan of Thorvald's incarceration on The Isle of Despair.}
{1043}{Myrth wants the pelt of a Stillwater Giant in exchange for the location of Qintarra.}
{1044}{Ogdin wishes you to bring the book "The Hand" to him.}
{1045}{DUPLICATE DO NOT USE!!!!! Bring a pelt from the Stillwater Giant to Mirth for him to reveal the location of Qintarra.}
{1046}{Find out about M'in Gorad in the village of the Dark Elves, and report back to Raven.}
{1047}{Find the part for Weldo's device from the wreckage in the wastes.}
{1048}{Find Mr. Victor Misk}
{1049}{Hadrian the Archaeologist wants you to bring back a piece of Nasrudin's skeleton.}
{1050}{Rescue Tollo Underhill, the thief, from the pits beneath Praetor's castle.}
{1051}{Retrieve the Vendigroth Device and meet Nasrudin in the Ring of Brodgar.}
{1052}{Lillian Misk wants an investigation into who disclosed the information concerning the ownership of "Horror Among the Dark Elves" by her late husband.}
{1053}{Nasrudin wishes you to kill the Bogaroth. In return, he will tell you what you need to do to kill Arronax.}
{1054}{Stringy Pete wants you to return his treasure, including the silver boot buckles of Jonas Williamson, to the remaining members of the Williamson family.}
{1055}{Stringy Pete wants you to repair the desecrated altar of temple in Vooriden.}
{1056}{Stringy Pete wants you to destroy the Bangellian Scourge.}
{1057}{Effect Arronax's release from the magick that binds him.}
{1058}{Jongle Dunne needs a package picked up from a man named Charles Dolan, a merchant in Dernholm.}
{1059}{Jacob Bens in Shrouded Hills wants you to steal the local mining company's payroll from the bank's safe.}
{1060}{Doc Roberts wants you to help him stop an impending bank robbery.}
{1061}{A strange man in the Wellington wants you to deliver a note to 36 Low Dervish Row.}
{1062}{Mrs. Cassandra Pettibone wants you to steal the elven funerary stone from the newly unearthed elven catacombs.}
{1063}{Mrs. Evelyn Garringsburg wants you to find her stolen painting, the famed "Kerghan and Persephone" by Pizarro.}
{1064}{Delores Beston wants you to steal Madamme Toussaude's crystal ball.}
{1065}{Madame Toussaude wants you to deliver her crystal ball to Delores Beston.}
{1066}{Thaddeus Mynor has offered you membership in the Thieves' Underground if you retrieve the map of the Tarantian Sewers.}
{1067}{Thaddeus Mynor wants you to retrieve the map of the Tarantian Sewers.}
{1068}{Matthew Jameson wants you to retrieve his wedding ring from the sewers.}
{1069}{Benjamin Gershwin, the phrenologist, wants you to bring him the skulls of the Ren'ar siamese twins.}
{1070}{Norian, on the Isle of Despair, wants you to deliver some goods to a man named Maximillian.}
{1071}{The village guard on Isle of Despair wants you to kill the Sorcerous Beast.}
{1072}{Find Warren Pel Dar of Cumbria and tell him that Maximillian still lives on the Isle of Despair.}
{1073}{Jones the Collector wants you to gather some objects from Shades Beach. If he likes any of them, he will trade you for a strange weapon.}
{1074}{Cynthia Boggs has asked you to help her escape from the encampment on the Isle of Despair.}
{1075}{Geoffrey Tarellond-Ashe wants you to help him solve the mystery of the Ashbury Cemetary.}
{1076}{The Mayor of Ashbury will allow you to answer questions at this evenings Town Council meeting. Your answers must please as many people as possible.}
{1077}{Ellumyn wants you to retrieve some mithril from the caves of the Wheel Clan.}
{1078}{Swyft wants you to bring her to Tarant safely.}
{1079}{Mr. Winde wants you to ensure that the lost elven hunter is on his way home.}
{1080}{Kill the Poachers for Kan Kerai.}
{1081}{Secure Jormund's release by finding Wrath's killer.}
{1082}{Whysper wants you to gather an essence from the rare Vol'ars Wisp.}
{1083}{The innkeeper wants you to bring back his strong box from the blacksmith.}
{1084}{Muggs would like for you to collect 200 gold from a Mr. Larrs in the Boil. If Larrs is unable to pay, you are to kill him.}
{1085}{Miranda Tears wants you to take a crate of ale from the Clan Maug's warehouse.}
{1086}{Caleb Malloy wants you to pick up his shipment of whiskey.}
{1087}{Milo wants you to kill Treat, a Pollock gang member, for messing with his girl.}
{1088}{NO LONGER A QUEST}
{1089}{Pollock wants you to kill Darian Maug.}
{1090}{Darian Maug has contracted you to kill Pollock.}
{1091}{Thrayne Iron Heart wants you to find his brother Erland at the Stonecutter Clan and tell him to return home.}
{1092}{Vegard MoltenFlow wants you to retrieve his family heirloom from the depths of the Dredge.}
{1093}{Erick Obsidian wants you to find the lost burial ground of the Iron Clan, and retrieve the Durin Stone.}
{1094}{You are to go the middle of Tarant and make a fool of yourself by running around in your underwear.}
{1095}{Brigitte, Priestess of Stillwater, has entrusted you with the task of finding the stolen idol of their goddess, Geshtianna.}
{1096}{Richard Leeks, the blacksmith in Stillwater, wants you to find his friend Cyrus.}
{1097}{Retrieve Azrams Star from K'na Tha for Clarissa Shalmo in Blackroot.}
{1098}{Edward Willoughsby wants you to convince King Farad's advisors that Caladon should join the Unified Kingdom.}
{1099}{Daniel McPherson will train you as the Trap Master if you can survive the training maze beneath his house.}
{1100}{Chief Inspector Henderson has charged you with the task of finding the Whytechurch Murderer.}
{1101}{F. Fitzgerald, the master of Spotting Traps, wants you to get the staff of K'an T'au from the castle of S'nel N'fa. In exchange, he will give you master training.}
{1102}{The mother of J.T. Morgan, the Pick Lock Master, wants you to help him to escape from prison. In exchange, Morgan will give you master training.}
{1103}{You need to retrieve the Blade of Xerxes to enable you to slay the demon L'anamelach.}
{1104}{Heinrich Jenks wants you to assassinate King Farad of Caladon.}
{1105}{Adkin Chambers, the Dodge Master, wants you to kill Sir Garrick Stout, the Melee Master, and bring his eyes as proof that you have completed the task.}
{1106}{J.M. Morat, the Haggle Master, wants 10,000 coin in exchange for Master training.}
{1107}{Thaddeus Mynor wants you to steal the golden idol of the barbarians of Kree.}
{1108}{Gurin Rockharrow has agreed to tutor you in the skills of gambling.}
{1109}{Gildor Nightwalk will reward you with 1500 coin, if you are able pass the beasts of death and retrieve the great ruby for him.}
{1110}{Find the Master of Prowling by following the direction contained in the mysterious note.}
{1111}{Stop Arronax.}
{1112}{Take J.T. Morgan, the Master Locksmith, his tools so that he can escape from Caladon's high security prison.}
{1113}{Kill the entire Willbecker Gang and release their hostage, Mrs. Rolland, unharmed.}
{1114}{Find the Lady Druella, get her to agree to marry Sir Garrick Stout, and return her to him.}
{1115}{Take the healing potion to Adkin Chambers and restore his sight. Also, tell him Lady Druella's location.}
{1116}{Kill Sir Garick Stout and bring his eyes to Adkin Chambers as proof.}
{1117}{Kill the 3 wild pigs that keep eating Theo Brightstart's corn crop.}
{1118}{Load the 5 large boulders located in Theo Brightstart's field onto his cart.}
{1119}{Mrs. Cameron would like you to find her son, Liam.}
{1120}{Destroy the portal described in Liam Cameron's journal.}
{1121}{Deliver package to Mrs. Morgan in Roseborough for the Thieves Underground.}
{1122}{Adam Maxwell, a member of the Thieves Underground, has asked you to steal the ancient book entitled "Divinations and Magicks for the Adept Wizard" from the home of Widower Misk in Caladon.}
{1123}{Adam Maxwell, a member of the Thieves Underground, has asked you to heist the priceless Necklace of Queen K'na S'ea from the museum in Caladon.}
{1124}{Deliver bag of "hot" jewels to Adam Maxwell in Caladon for the Thieves Underground.}
{1125}{Madam Lil would like you to retrieve Cassie's necklace from Mr. Mooreland's house at 46 Devonshire Way.}
{1126}{Mr. Langley owes 400 coin to Madam Lil. Collect it and return it to her. He is the doorman at The Bridesdale Inn.}
{1127}{Madam Lil would like you to deliver a gift to Mrs. Halster at 48 Devonshire Way. You must tell her it is from her husband.}
{1128}{Madam Lil would like you to locate a Medallion of Beauty for her.}
{1129}{Madam Lil would like you to "service" Mr. Franklin. He lives at the corner of Vermillion and Grimson.}
{1130}{Thom Grak, a rather jovial half orc, has asked me to find Sir Matt de Cesare for him.}
{1131}{Mr. Plough wants you to rid his warehouses, near the docks in Tarant, of rats.}
{1132}{Discover the fate of Wilhemina, girlfriend of Jared the guard.}
{1133}{Jared the guard wants you to go to the stonecutter at the corner of Mulligan Bone Alley and East End Ave. in Tarant to commission a tombstone for his beloved Wilhemina.}
{1134}{Mr. Wright, Editor of the Tarantian, would like you to deliver a payment note to Mrs. Halster who lives on the corner of Devonshire and Vermillion.}
{1135}{Trevor Lynwood, a journalist for the Tarantian, needs you to get a photograph of the elusive Lethe Wyvern.}
{1136}{Ryan Sanders wants you to kill his father, Jonathan Sanders. He will pay you 1,000 coin when the job is complete.}
{1137}{David Wit would like you to discover what is killing his rabbits.}
{1138}{Find a cure for Cynthia Wit's werewolf curse.}
{1139}{You need to determine how to get Pelojian's spirit to answer your questions when it appears above Pelojian's pool at midnight.}
{1140}{Kill the dark elf mage T'val N'or in order to break the spell holding the half ogre slaves.}
{1141}{Find proof for Hieronymous Maxim that his heavier than air machines actually flew.}
{1142}{V'ed Eckes, Master of Water Magick in Tulla, wants you to retrieve the Gem of Water Purification from the acolyte waiting outside the gates of Tulla.}
{1143}{Arthur Tyron needs you to find proof of half ogre breeding being done on "Half Ogre Island".}
{1144}{Capt. Wheeler of the Tarantian Guard wants you to kill Donn Throgg to end the orc uprising.}
{1145}{Capt. Wheeler of the Tarantian Guard wants you to convince Donn Throgg to surrender to end the orc uprising.}
{1146}{Mr. Babcock wants you to convince Donn Throgg to slip out of the factory unseen, thereby ending the orc uprising, so that he may become the union representative for the orcs of Tarant.}
{1150}{Retrieve the platinum chalice from Fa'al Kin's Maze for Herzod Munk.}
{1151}{Edwin Wallows of the Halcyon Order in Vooriden wants you to retrieve a new altar stone from Torin Quarry.}
{1152}{Percival Toone wants you to find a way to free the ghost of his mother.}
{1153}{Clarissa Shalmo has demanded that you practice your throwing skill to improve it and bring her 1,000 coin before she will train you as a Master at Throwing.}
{1154}{Sir M. de Cesare wants you to find the skulls of the Ren'ar siamese twins and bring them to him. He believes they may be in a warehouse in Tarant somewhere.}
{1155}{You need to find Arthur Tyron and bring him the siamese twin skulls as proof of a larger conspiracy. His last known address was in Black Root.}
{1156}{Arvid Millstone wants you to destroy what has been killing all of the miners in the Wheel Clan.}
{1157}{Renzo would like for me to plant the stolen heirloom on Frederik, who can usually be found in the bar of the Roseborough Inn, because he betrayed Renzo and his partners. After I successfully plant eh statue, I am to turn Frederik in to the Captain of the Roseborough Guard.}
{1158}{The cursed spirit of Charles Brehgo has implored me to kill the priest who cursed him, Arbalah. It is his belief that if I kill Arbalah, he will be released from the curse.}
{1159}{Arbalah has refuted the claims of Charles Brehgo, saying Brehgo and his partner Fahrkus killed his family and stole a sacred artifact from him. He would like for me to locate and return this artifact to him.}
{1160}{If, in my travels, I happen across the ancient elven amulet of N'Tala, Gaylin has offered to pay me a handsome reward for its return.}
{1161}{Sebastian wants you to kill Pollok. In return, he might aid you in your own quest.}
{1162}{Sebastian wants you to kill Darien Maug. In return, he might aid you in your own quest.}
{1163}{Sarah Toone wants you to help her regain ownership of the Bessie Toone Mine}
{1164}{Find Warren Lianna Pel Dar of Cumbria and tell her that Maximillian still lives on the Isle of Despair.}

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Ash: [talking to mirror] I'm fine... I'm fine...
[Mirror Ash jumps out of the mirror and grabs Ash]
Mirror Ash: I don't think so. We just cut up our girlfriend with a chainsaw. Does that sound "fine"?

*twitch* Read the mother-fucking FAQs and CHECK THE GODDAMN YEAR BEFORE YOU POST!

Jesus!

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Currently surviving on caffiene, microwave dinners and requests for porn from certain fandoms. Guess the fandoms, win some porn!

Nice Girls Don't Scream Orcish Battlecries. (Thank God I'm Not A Nice Girl.)

Why are there still people who did not and/or cannot read the FAQ?

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Ash: [talking to mirror] I'm fine... I'm fine...
[Mirror Ash jumps out of the mirror and grabs Ash]
Mirror Ash: I don't think so. We just cut up our girlfriend with a chainsaw. Does that sound "fine"?

I hate to be bumping this but lets face it, people don't give a flying shit about the FAQ when they first join the forum, they just assume this forum is like others.

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I can only make the suggestion that every new members, should be automatic linked to the FAQ first, before they will come on the forum.

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Ash: [talking to mirror] I'm fine... I'm fine...
[Mirror Ash jumps out of the mirror and grabs Ash]
Mirror Ash: I don't think so. We just cut up our girlfriend with a chainsaw. Does that sound "fine"?

I'm fully in support of Arthgon's suggestion.

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~ Kitty, ImpishIdea

Currently surviving on caffiene, microwave dinners and requests for porn from certain fandoms. Guess the fandoms, win some porn!

Nice Girls Don't Scream Orcish Battlecries. (Thank God I'm Not A Nice Girl.)

In retrospect, Xz and DE, where exactly is that Arcanum 2 story you promised us?

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I never promised anything.

I've always wanted to make an Arcanum mod, but up until now, I haven't had the time/inspiration/energy/whatever to actually make it happen, save plodding through AMTUT a couple of times. I've given this project a 5% chance of ever reaching fruition. Suffice to say, I'm not actively working on it right now, and I have no such plans for the near future.

SHOULD I one day make that damned mod of mine, it will be Arcanum 2 in spirit only. The storyline would likely be limited to one city only, since I'd rather focus on making one location truly elaborate instead of having all the content spread out thinly over a number of towns. It would also be a city that doesn't show up in Arcanum as we know it, and likely take place in a completely different world. This would give me ultimate freedom to decide what the city is like, as I deem it necessary to do what I want to do. The name of this project is Tribute, and a tribute it will be. I want to include references to all of Troika's games, and likely a number of Easter eggs from this forum as well.

We'll just have to wait and see.

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Lacy: How did I fall in love with such a jerk like him? Why can't I ever meet a nice man?
Tom: You've met lots of nice men, Lacy. I'm a nice man. The biggest lie all of you women tell yourselves is that you like nice men, when, in fact, we bore you silly.
The trouble is, you tell this lie out loud and so damned often that some of us more gullible types hear it growing up and work hard to become nice men.
Well, from all the nice men in the world, Lacy, fuck you very much.

That matters little, when they fail to conform we don't help them and without the information they seek most just give up.

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Well seeing as the topic has been "disvirtued"...would it be a shitty thing to pick up the discussion again?

Given that you partook in the original conversation, I'd say no. Good to see you again, FH.

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