I suppose, still that's even more pathetic because the troll can't even be bothered to strike out on his own - he has to steal HWLFP's identity to rouse a response. Then again, I guess someone who wastes their time aggravating people on obscure forums isn't one of life's go-getters.

PS I like your North Star.

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However, he does bring a certain flavor to The House. Any newcomer to The House will see "HWLFP" and wonder to what that refers. After a bit of research, the newcomer will understand that HWLFP is a long-time antagonist of The House and just like that The House has a history!

HWLFP has helped create the lore of The House of Lords.

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I'm an introvert. Now shut up so I can be happy. Except for you, helpful sales bot. Also, download this.
Away from The House, yet forever near to my heart

I agree. The House owes a debt of gratitude to this fine gentleman for his stirring writing, the fortitude of his trolling, and above all the dedication that he has shown towards the cause of slightly annoying a few people on an internet forum. I can only hope that one day I reach similarly lofty heights of accomplishment, to the point that my own name is bandied about whenever a newcomer arrives. Good night, and God bless Arcanum.

* This message was paid for by the campaign to rehabilitate the picture lovers of Frigo.

Well, I'm glad the witchhunt took off, but the mob went for the scapegoat.

Meanwhile, the Constipation account is laying low like a rake in the grass.

Classic misdirection. No wonder you all believe in the moon landing.

What, you mean that while NASA was brazenly filming the moon landings on a sound stage in California, a couple of astronauts were secretly landing on the moon? Gadzooks!

Please forgive the double post. But, as you will see, it is not really a double post, because, in the absence of Constipation, who, as I think I mentioned, I am not, I submit this:

My face when to the left is my spastic nigger.

Okay, so he shows wit and restraint sometimes.

Y'know, Jojobobo, I used to think you were hwlfp, mainly because of the whole "my seed in her thick glossy wool" thing you used to have listed under your location.

That might explain why I somehow overlooked a good portion of your interesting threads during your stay here. I have just been going over the archives and realise I misjudged you greatly.

Sorry, on both counts. You're actually quite a likeable chap! Tell me, if you don't mind, how's life with the little woman working out? I'm kind of in the middle of a similar situation myself, so I can empathise and I could use your perspective.

"It's early in the morning and I have to go to work. My day will be spent moving heavy furniture in the shitty weather for morons who believe themselves superior because they have a higher salary and maybe a company car. Their big salary doesn't buy them guns like mine and pretty soon their feel my guns squeezing down upon them and their heads will go bang and their eyes will pop and their salaries will be mine and their children's bean bag chairs will be sat on by me.." Quote from my recently made late friend and fellow colleague. T&£sh$lls are all the same, selfish fuckers.

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Can a person do anything around here without be accused of being HWLFP?! Maybe it's just a right of passage for new members now. I'm also listed as an "Underwater demolition expert" on my profile but that doesn't mean anything either - it would however be the coolest job imaginable.


Yeah things are working out fine, things just got better over time as I hoped, but only because we were both willing to make the effort to sort things out.

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And what does THAT have to do with this topic?

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Ash: [talking to mirror] I'm fine... I'm fine...
[Mirror Ash jumps out of the mirror and grabs Ash]
Mirror Ash: I don't think so. We just cut up our girlfriend with a chainsaw. Does that sound "fine"?

I would love a blowjob from your sweet juicy lips argathon, do you feel like sucking a big one?
I suppose not.

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No thank you, you little dipshit. Why do not you go and look somewhere else? Because I am not gay and I really do not want to go search for your tiny winy short dick with a magnifying glass.

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Ash: [talking to mirror] I'm fine... I'm fine...
[Mirror Ash jumps out of the mirror and grabs Ash]
Mirror Ash: I don't think so. We just cut up our girlfriend with a chainsaw. Does that sound "fine"?

Yes. Perhaps the major distinction and the only way of being OK with such speciesism is that newborns (unlike animals) have potential of developing full conciousness and "personality". Anyway, I'd rather stop eating meat than accept that killing newborns is ethically justified.

That is a matter of opinion, that animals are incapable of developing full conciousness and personality.

I doubt these words can be scientifically defined and measured without begging the question, ie, full consciousness is human consciousness therefore only humans can have it.

Anyway, I'm almost positive that Muro was being facetious, by following the logic through to its absurd conclusion; of course it is unethical to kill babies.

Speaking for myself, I choose life because, you now, eighty years of suffering is nothing compared to eighty billion years of being dead, so we may as well let all who can possibly live, live while they can.

I gave up pre-med studies because of all the dead bodies and sacrificial animals and, sharing a house with someone who bred show mice, I found myself as the last refuge of all who were condemned to death.

Some interesting inmates of Yitzak the Black's Institute for Condemned and Criminally Insane Mice included:
Brain: This little fellah was born with a tiny body and an enormous forehead, almost anthropomorphic. Of course, he died of seizures when quite young.
Quasimodo: An hunchbacked lab mouse. I don't know what they did to him, but he was disfigured. He was snatched by a cat, but I gave him extra time.
Annakin: A huge mouse who earned his name by violently raping a mouse called Amidala. He would kill and eat any other mice he lived with. He died of heat exhaustion one summer.

They all died, they all suffered while alive, but I was damn sure I wasn't the one who chose to kill them.

The fact that a found logic leads to an absurd conclusion may indicate that the logic was flawed or incomplete. Then again, it may also mean that the logic was right while the absurdity of the final conclusion is but seeming.


Is anything objectively unethical, though?


Same could be said about human foetuses, embryos and zygotes. Even gametes in the long run. Therefore, if killing newborns is murder, is the ejaculative finale of male masturbation genocide?

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Also, though I've only done my as-of-late-characteristic brief scan of the thread, I might be justified in saying that the 'kill babies cuz' argument seems a little like concluding that there is no such thing as a shark-fin, because there isn't really a sharply-defined division between it and the shark's body,

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No, no such thing as objectively unethical, that's an oxymoron. Objectively, I think the human race ought to be extinguished as soon as possible.

Cannibalism is a cultural taboo. Objectively, I think it is selected against largely due to transmission of disease, just as incest is selected against due to expression of genetic load.

Anyway, when the mob is chasing you with pitchforks and torches, I'll give you sanctuary, Muro, because, subjectively, I wish everyone were more compassionate.

Does anybody here have a view or opinion that isn't clichéd to death and boringly trite, incidentally?

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... Oh well, as Frankenstein's monster said, "If I cannot inspire love, then I will create fear."

Now I subjectively think the human race ought to be extinguished as soon as possible.

Disgusting fucking monkeys, running around in circles on your hind legs, waving your front legs in the air and making wa-wa noises with your mouths, trading tokens of invisible debt to fight your way up an invisible ladder for the privalege of a slightly bigger tomb in a slum-dense, poisonous desert built on the bones of a million species and a billion slaves, smugly chasing the carrot-on-a-stick as perfect little drones for an insane hive-mind grazing on blood and excreting into the air. Who cares to what depths the Oxford medical ethics board sinks? Having babies in the first place is supremely unethical.

Have a nice day!

I explained my point of view in an earlier post but here is how it goes:
Sperm: a cell - most definitely not a being.
Zygote, embryo: no senses whatsoever - not a human being, no interests, no rights that should be protected or would need to be overruled by mother's rights.
Foetus: since capable of feeling pleasure/displeasure it has some interests that should be protected but it's still not a human being - only a potential one - it can be killed if its existence threatens mother's life or health (and also in cases of rape/incest etc.).
Newborn - still rather a potential human being than an actual human being but since it can no longer put anyone's life or health in danger society should protect its right to live.
Animal - well, why don't you state your own opinion? I humbly agree that Killing a chimpanzee may be considered a murder, killing a roach is pest control - but where do we draw the line?


Do you have one or are you just being an ass? Or maybe sharing it is not amusing enough for you?

Killing a roach may also be considered murder, except that it's a legal term, and animals don't have lawyers. Telling language there, by the way. Killing a chimp 'may' be considered murder while killing a roach 'is' pest control. Hah!

Killing is killing. Personally I don't do pest control. Given that roaches around my place are native and breed in the diminished ti-tree forests around the housing development, I consider the humans to be the invasive pests. When I see the restaurant across the road getting an exterminator in, I cheer for the roaches and laugh, because it's a losing battle. Even when european mice were overtaking my cabin in the woods, I refused to evict them; everytime I went to try, there was a nest of babies, so I left them be.

In the end, it was easier to leave a bowl of food out for the mice so they didn't make too much noise searching for it, and try to work around the snakes which came looking for them. I solved the roach problem by letting spiders breed up to control them. Now my place is roach-resistant even though their population booms every summer. Similarly, if there's catapillars in my garden, I let wasps breed up around them. The problem sorts itself out and I don't kill anything.

And, just in case you're wondering, even snakes, spiders and wasps will be companiable neighbours towards a truly non-violent human.